It's mandatory part cannot without

[tonya pratt]

It's mandatory part cannot without it we're not talking about that I'd what we're talking about certification certification voluntary it definitely has standard so people are able to that certification because they can demonstrate do their work they have accomplished some particular standard David to go to the next flight thank you there's also confusion over certification and professional membership particularly with I a L the ply those organizations and perhaps others also what they call a professional membership and you become a professional member because portfolio products to go to a peer review .

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